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	<title>Comments on: Big, Bad Nationalized Health Care, by Paul Shirley</title>
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		<title>By: Jon Weill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Weill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sick of getting low numbers of useless traffic for your site? Well i wish to share with you a brand new underground tactic that makes myself $900  on a daily basis on 100% AUTOPILOT. I possibly could be here all day and going into detail but why dont you just check their website out? There is really a excellent video that explains everything. So if your serious about producing hassle-free money this is the site for you. &lt;a href=&quot;http://autotraffic-avalanche.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Auto Traffic Avalanche&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: pshirley</title>
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		<dc:creator>pshirley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And thank you for reading it, Rugz.

If you&#039;d like, I&#039;ll come over and read it to him.  And give him a creepy massage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And thank you for reading it, Rugz.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d like, I&#8217;ll come over and read it to him.  And give him a creepy massage.</p>
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		<title>By: Rugz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rugz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for such an enlightening article. If my overly-conservative uncle could read, I would show him this to shut him up about &quot;communist health care.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for such an enlightening article. If my overly-conservative uncle could read, I would show him this to shut him up about &#8220;communist health care.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do have the internet, M, but our sled dogs have to take us to the wifi igloo so we can access it.

I heart universal healthcare. When my sister was 13, she came down with a sudden headache accompanied by vomiting and partial blindness. Turned out she had a brain tumour that was hemorrhaging, and she had to go in for emergency surgery. Pretty major stuff. We thought we were going to lose her, which was quite enough to worry about without stressing over how we&#039;d pay for it. My dad does ok financially, but he&#039;s self-employed; I imagine that he wouldn&#039;t have had the kind of insurance to cover the cost of a major brain surgery, plus all of the treatments/therapy that followed for years. 

To me, universal healthcare is a no-brainer (too soon?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do have the internet, M, but our sled dogs have to take us to the wifi igloo so we can access it.</p>
<p>I heart universal healthcare. When my sister was 13, she came down with a sudden headache accompanied by vomiting and partial blindness. Turned out she had a brain tumour that was hemorrhaging, and she had to go in for emergency surgery. Pretty major stuff. We thought we were going to lose her, which was quite enough to worry about without stressing over how we&#8217;d pay for it. My dad does ok financially, but he&#8217;s self-employed; I imagine that he wouldn&#8217;t have had the kind of insurance to cover the cost of a major brain surgery, plus all of the treatments/therapy that followed for years. </p>
<p>To me, universal healthcare is a no-brainer (too soon?).</p>
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		<title>By: M Shirley</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Shirley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canadians have the internet?  

Just kidding Chet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canadians have the internet?  </p>
<p>Just kidding Chet.</p>
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		<title>By: Chet Wydrzynski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chet Wydrzynski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a related issue, as a Canadian, I&#039;m sick of the Republicans trashing our health care system.  The vast majority of Canadians love our health care system.  I&#039;m not saying FoxNews can&#039;t find the odd person to come on and give an interview about how the system let them down, nothing is perfect.

Our current Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, is our most right-wing, global-warming-is-a-myth, lock-up-all-petty-drug-criminals, the-free-market-rules Prime Minister in years.  Yet the one thing he will never mention in public is screwing with health care.  It would be political suicide.

A couple years ago the CBC (national TV network) did a nation-wide poll to pick the Greatest Canadian.  We didn&#039;t choose Wayne Gretzky or our first Prime Minister or the author of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.  We didn&#039;t even choose the snowboarder who won a gold medal and tested positive for pot.

Nope, the guy we picked was the leader of a fairly unpopulated province called Saskatchewan (think North Dakota, but flatter, less people and colder) from 1940&#039;s - 1960&#039;s.  He went from that position to the leader of our third place party in the federal government. His name was Tommy Douglas.  What did Tommy Douglas do that was so important in the minds of Canadians?  Mr. Douglas brought universal medicare to Saskatchewan, which was later followed by the entire country.  The Greatest Canadian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a related issue, as a Canadian, I&#8217;m sick of the Republicans trashing our health care system.  The vast majority of Canadians love our health care system.  I&#8217;m not saying FoxNews can&#8217;t find the odd person to come on and give an interview about how the system let them down, nothing is perfect.</p>
<p>Our current Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, is our most right-wing, global-warming-is-a-myth, lock-up-all-petty-drug-criminals, the-free-market-rules Prime Minister in years.  Yet the one thing he will never mention in public is screwing with health care.  It would be political suicide.</p>
<p>A couple years ago the CBC (national TV network) did a nation-wide poll to pick the Greatest Canadian.  We didn&#8217;t choose Wayne Gretzky or our first Prime Minister or the author of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.  We didn&#8217;t even choose the snowboarder who won a gold medal and tested positive for pot.</p>
<p>Nope, the guy we picked was the leader of a fairly unpopulated province called Saskatchewan (think North Dakota, but flatter, less people and colder) from 1940&#8242;s &#8211; 1960&#8242;s.  He went from that position to the leader of our third place party in the federal government. His name was Tommy Douglas.  What did Tommy Douglas do that was so important in the minds of Canadians?  Mr. Douglas brought universal medicare to Saskatchewan, which was later followed by the entire country.  The Greatest Canadian.</p>
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		<title>By: pshirley</title>
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		<dc:creator>pshirley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.  The government may not be wholly benevolent, but it is the only entity big enough to run a system without making a profit.  And profit, in this case, is exactly as you say: worse coverage, as coverage increases costs to the company, and left-out citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.  The government may not be wholly benevolent, but it is the only entity big enough to run a system without making a profit.  And profit, in this case, is exactly as you say: worse coverage, as coverage increases costs to the company, and left-out citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sees to me the reason for the high cost and marginal at best effectiveness of our health care system lies in the fallacy that health insurance is best operated by the free market. This system fails in two major ways: 1) insurance companies are then incentivized to DENY claims and 2) they must make a profit margin to stay alive, increasing the cost to everyone. 

The whole healthcare system is a zero sum game. If we want to make it cheaper, get rid of the insurance companies or offer some serious competition (public option please)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sees to me the reason for the high cost and marginal at best effectiveness of our health care system lies in the fallacy that health insurance is best operated by the free market. This system fails in two major ways: 1) insurance companies are then incentivized to DENY claims and 2) they must make a profit margin to stay alive, increasing the cost to everyone. </p>
<p>The whole healthcare system is a zero sum game. If we want to make it cheaper, get rid of the insurance companies or offer some serious competition (public option please)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, of course it worked that time.

Hey, it&#039;s Paul.  Thanks for your patience with an admittedly herky-jerky first day.  We&#039;re working on some of the, er, bugs.

Russell - That&#039;s the point.  Universal health care, provided by the government, doesn&#039;t come through your employer.  You get health care whether you have a job or not.  And it&#039;s paid for by your taxes.  (Another insidious part, that people forget:  Even if the tax rate went up, people wouldn&#039;t be paying for health care, so would have money with which to pay those taxes.  For those that say they&#039;re getting &quot;free&quot; health care from their employers...you&#039;re not thinking straight.  If it&#039;s a part of your compensation, you&#039;re, in essence, paying for it.  It&#039;s not like your employer is providing it out of the goodness of its cold heart.

citizen - It was the Rioja. ;)

Jason, Rudy - Thanks.

Brooke - Well, yeah.  I&#039;ve lived in Russia.  I know of what you speak.  But advocating a Russian health care system would be like advocating a Rwandan policy on human rights.

Thanks, everyone, for reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, of course it worked that time.</p>
<p>Hey, it&#8217;s Paul.  Thanks for your patience with an admittedly herky-jerky first day.  We&#8217;re working on some of the, er, bugs.</p>
<p>Russell &#8211; That&#8217;s the point.  Universal health care, provided by the government, doesn&#8217;t come through your employer.  You get health care whether you have a job or not.  And it&#8217;s paid for by your taxes.  (Another insidious part, that people forget:  Even if the tax rate went up, people wouldn&#8217;t be paying for health care, so would have money with which to pay those taxes.  For those that say they&#8217;re getting &#8220;free&#8221; health care from their employers&#8230;you&#8217;re not thinking straight.  If it&#8217;s a part of your compensation, you&#8217;re, in essence, paying for it.  It&#8217;s not like your employer is providing it out of the goodness of its cold heart.</p>
<p>citizen &#8211; It was the Rioja. ;)</p>
<p>Jason, Rudy &#8211; Thanks.</p>
<p>Brooke &#8211; Well, yeah.  I&#8217;ve lived in Russia.  I know of what you speak.  But advocating a Russian health care system would be like advocating a Rwandan policy on human rights.</p>
<p>Thanks, everyone, for reading.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an awkward test of my ability to comment back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an awkward test of my ability to comment back.</p>
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