Coming home from a recent trip to the grocery store, I found myself stopped at a traffic light behind a woman in a dark green SUV. On the otherwise unadorned tailgate of her shiny Toyota, there was a bumper sticker that read, “Proud to be Scottish.” I was confused.
First, I do not often see driving performances that leave me with a higher opinion of whomever is driving. Thus, it seems folly to advertise one’s beliefs and/or origins on one’s vehicle. If some hippie cuts me off in his beat-up ’87 Corolla, I am way less likely to want to Coexist.
But the true source of my confusion was this:
How could the woman driving the Toyota in front of me be proud to be Scottish? I mean, I know how she could be proud of her heritage, in the sense that I understand, if only vaguely, how the human brain works. And I’m not Scot-bashing. What I’m after is logic. She didn’t choose to be of Scottish descent and it wasn’t something she had accomplished – being Scottish is not a prize for winning a foot race or a chili cook-off. She just is Scottish. (Or perhaps, her husband is Scottish. Or her parents were Scottish. Someone in that woman’s life is Scottish, anyway.) She didn’t do anything to become Scottish, unless there’s been an astounding breakthrough in gene therapy of which I’ve not been made aware.
It’s a question that has long bothered me: How do people explain their pride in something they didn’t actually do or accomplish?
I was born in Menlo Park, California. Soon after my birth, my parents decided that they’d had enough of nice weather and progressive thought, and moved to Northeast Kansas. A few years later, in first grade, our teacher asked each student in my class to talk about where they had been born and what that meant to them. Most of my classmates had, of course, been born in Topeka, Kansas, so the only way they had to differentiate themselves from one another was to report that they had been born at the hospital named after St. Francis, instead of the one named after some non-Catholic.
When it was my turn to announce the city of my birth, I took great pride in stating that I had been born in California. Suddenly, I was exotic. There was something different – something interesting – about me.
I’m sure the woman driving the car in front of me on Shawnee Mission Parkway was compelled to put a “Proud to be Scottish” sticker on her Toyota for a similar reason. Stuck in a homogeneous world, she was expressing her uniqueness.
I did the same thing. When I was six.
Now, before it comes off that I think I’m superior to the highlander in the Highlander, I should note that…I am. My ancestors are Irish.
I kid, of course. Contrary to popular belief, there’s nothing especially good – nothing to be especially proud of – about being from Irish stock. The Irish are known for such laudable traits as being temperamental, given to alcoholism, and for being susceptible to the deleterious effects of widespread potato famine.
I get that it is important to understand one’s origins. I’m sure I would’ve gotten a lecture on the subject had I confronted the woman in the Toyota. But I think “understanding of” and “pride in” are as different as asking about your girlfriend’s day and a jealous inquisition of her lunch with a boss.
Life gets tricky when “pride” gets involved. People kill each other over “pride”. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict can basically be boiled down to “pride”. The people in those states are, for all intents and purposes, the same. Meaning that they’ve had to invent a reason to fight. There’s religion to fight about, of course, but even those religious beliefs have been tied into “I’m from here, you’re from there, and now I’m going to lob explosive devices at your family.”
In the United States, we haven’t yet progressed to warring over our places of birth. People from New Jersey don’t shoot rockets into New York City. Instead, they paint their faces green and cheer for the Jets when they play the Giants. (Or the other way around. I’m still not clear on the Jets/Giants thing.)
But we Americans are not above misplaced pride. In fact, in my experience, we’re among the most frequent abusers of it.
I see American flags everywhere. They’re on houses, at banks, and flown, in oversized grandeur, above car dealerships. Contrary to what is being displayed, proudly, as popular belief, this is not normal behavior in the rest of the world. The only countries that participate in such rampant jingoism are the ones that are painfully insecure about their status. North Korea, for example.
If I knock on the door at a random, American flag-flying house and ask the man who answers why he’s decorated his siding like he has, there is a pretty good chance he’ll say it’s because he’s “proud to be an American.” If I ask him why he’s proud, he’ll likely say it’s because he lives “in the best country on Earth”.
Of course, there’s no way to measure whether the United States is the “best country on Earth”, if only because such a thing is impossible to measure. It’s sort of like trying to name the best-looking woman on Earth — I might say “Bar Rafaeli” (or “Denmark”), you might say “Tori Praver” (or “Argentina”). Neither of us would be wrong, unless one us had said “Tori Spelling” or “Sudan”.
But whether the United States is the best country on the planet or the best place to live, period, or even the best place to get good barbecue (it is), is beside the point. The man in the house with the flag can’t be proud of something he didn’t accomplish. He can’t be proud to be American any more than he can be proud to breathe oxygen or proud to have a four-chambered heart.
To be fair, if the subject of my interview has a legitimate reason to be proud to be an American – if, for example, he immigrated here after a military junta had crushed his dreams in his native Chile, and he’d made the move only after diligent research, during which he’d carefully considered his options and had decided that, yes, the United States was the place he’d most like to call home – then he’d have every right to be “proud”. Just as a man with a faulty heart who learns tissue engineering and genetics and grows for himself his own heart can be proud to have a four-chambered one.
Because, you see, “pride” is, as defined, “pleasure or satisfaction taken in something done by, or belonging to oneself or believed to reflect credit upon oneself”. As in, I’ve accomplished something, now I’m proud of it. Being born in a particular location is not an accomplishment. Luck? Yes. Reason to celebrate? Maybe. But a point of pride? Absolutely not. Unless you’re six.
The problem, as I see it, is that pride in one’s homeland is no different from pride in one’s religion or pride in one’s skin color: these things do not a happy world make. The more pride people take in arbitrary characteristics, it seems, the more they want to fight about them.
Collectively, our pride – “our” being “American” in this case – often manifests itself in reactionary views toward Arabs or Asians. Individually, it bares its teeth in a person’s intolerance of races and religions.
I’m tempted to write that, so far, this hasn’t been a problem in the US. We haven’t engaged in genocide; nor have we gone to war against Canada. But then I think about how we’re viewed in the world. I think about what it’s like to live in other countries, where my friends would say, “Why is your country so insecure? Do you see Greek flags adorning grocery stores here?” The answers were: I don’t know, and, no.
As pride applies to friendly arguments in bars, sure, let’s have it. If the woman in the Toyota and I had met at a St. Patrick’s Day parade, we could have compared notes and realized that being from Scottish stock and being from Irish stock are basically the same thing: completely meaningless.
The problem is when pride leads to caving in heads with stones. And, unless I’m mistaken, no one likes to have his head caved in with a stone. That’s not to say that having pride in one’s origin necessarily leads to a terminal head injury. It’s just that it’s a slippery slope. Pride in “being white” led to the Ku Klux Klan. Pride in “being from France” led to The 100 Years War. Pride in “being an alien” led Marvin the Martian to challenge a team of cartoons led by Michael Jordan to an on-court grudge match. And (Space Jam spoiler alert!) we all know how that turned out.
Unfortunately, in the US, it may be too late to stop the advancement of the “Proud to Be” army. This need to express our “pride” has become so ingrained – so much the unbidden, in-born right of every American – that I fear what the consequences might be, someday. I hope that people can learn to save their pride for non-arbitrary characteristics: a life saved or a child parented. But I have my doubts.
My fears could be unfounded. Maybe the collective emotional state of our country will be returned to normal, and people will use logic and sense to decide their viewpoints. But until that happens, you’ll see me shaking my head every time I see an American flag on a non-governmental building. And laughing at every bumper sticker expressing undue satisfaction in Scottish ancestry.
And making fun of the idiot who carries around a key ring adorned with his Irish middle name and the coat of arms to match.
Oh wait, that would be me.
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Certainly an interesting perspective and one to which I’ve not given much thought. You make some good points.
good read and enjoyed the point you made. admittedly i’m not as intellectual as you paul, but could the pride in said group or country come from a broader definition of pride, such as: satisfaction with your (or another’s) achievements; “he takes pride in his son’s (or country’s) success”. (i googled that by the way, i’m not very good at making up definitions, let alone understanding what half the words i read actually mean). granted it’s a personal opinion as to whether someone should be proud of said son or country. btw i enjoy what you and matt have going on here. it’s always a fun way for me to avoid work. :)
makes me chuckle about Texas pride…thanks for making me think about something other than my to-do list this morning.
Boy oh boy. I just came back from visiting the security barrier in Jerusalem. My brain is sort of fried, so I don’t know how much sense this comment will make. But I’ve never seen louder bumper stickers than the ones I’m seeing in Israel right now. Anywhosies, Touché. Pride not a happy world make.
I’ll add this. Being a bit of a contrarian by nature, had my collective identity been denied from me my entire life, I don’t know how easily i’d be able to dismiss it as not-worthy-of-pride-because-arbitrary. Maybe I’d want a bumper sticker to remind everyone of it. I’m not saying i’d be justified, but maybe i’d feel like it. I don’t know. In any case, that remark is irrelevant to most cases you discussed here.
Great read, as usual.
As usual, an astute observation with both internal and global ramifications. Might we be “Grateful” to be American (or Scottish or a Kansan)? I think that grateful is how we should all feel about where we are from, because if we are from somewhere else, we probably would not be the same person. In a similar vein, is it right to be Proud of your Honor Student? The child is most likely your prodigy (something you ‘made’), and thus may be something you are proud of, but it is not necesarily because of anything you did. I am proud OF my twin 5 year old girls, but not for myself, but For them. And maybe that’s the way this plays out, is that we can be proud FOR America, just not proud to be American. Yep, I’m proud FOR Amereica. Now as long as we can say that with a straight face to someone who is not from here, then maybe we can have dialog about what that means and how despite dissimilar backgrounds we can achieve common understanding without starting war. Just my 2 cents.
Hmmm. What about school pride? I guess you ‘chose’ to go to whichever college/university you attended, but what about High School? You didn’t choose to go there, your parents bought a home in an area that said you went to this particular High School.
I remember having an immense amount of pride in my High School, and being very much opposed to any of our rivals. I put large “M”‘s on my face and body while competing, or watching many a school sporting events. I wore my letterman jacket proudly.
Now, within my High School, I also recall having a tremendous amount of pride from being from my particular elementary school. There were 7 or 8 elementary schools in my city, feeding the one High School. There were at least 5 legendary arguments over which elementary school had the best kickball team. Challenges were issued, responded to, and we found out that yes, my elementary school was in fact the best.
My point is this- I had ‘pride’ in my High School to help me feel a part of something in the bigger world of my entire state. I had ‘pride’ in my elementary school to help me feel a part of something in the smaller world of my city.
Perhaps we feel pride in things like this and our nationalities and heritage because it helps connect us to things, to find a sense of community.
I’m not saying I disagree with you, but I can’t imagine that you don’t have pride in SOMETHING that doesn’t make sense- your hometown sports teams? I am a ridiculous Boston sports fan. I didn’t try being any other sports fans when I was younger to find a team that fit my personality. If I did, I’d probably be a Seattle Mariner fan. Or a Cincinnati Reds fan. I was born in Boston, to Red Sox fans, so I am a Red Sox fan. I have not other reason to be a Sox fan other than I was born here in Boston.
Anyhow- Yankees Suck.
Could it simply be that a term has been abused…. You win, grammar whore. =)
Fun read though,
Thanks.. I am by no means the Pride Guru, so take everything I write as opinion.. But it seems to me that one could definitely have pride in his country or in whatever entity, if he had something to do with whatever that country (or entity) has done. This point comes up often for me when people use the pronoun “We” when referring to a sports team. “WE beat Michigan this week! Yay!” Really, you play college football?, being a stock answer.
Thanks for the comment, good sir.
Thanks. Your point is good, in that being denied the chance to express one’s identity is never good. (See: Gay Pride) But I don’t know how valid that is for regional pride. I think it’d be healthier if people just forgot about all that place-of-birth stuff. We’re all African anyway, right?
Probably. Way to pick apart the misuse of one word, Paul..
I think, yes, we certainly do it to feel a part of something bigger. That is the big question here, though – why is that necessary? I don’t really know the answer but I think it’s important to remember *why* we feel pride in something and ratchet our enthusiasm accordingly. If it’s a sports team that we’ve picked arbitrarily, maybe don’t tip over cars after an NBA championship. But if its – I don’t know – pride in a business you’ve built from the ground up, shout it from the mountaintops, and stuff.
Thanks, either way.
Not that I have an astute observation to make about the correlation between country of origin and pride, but I did a “6-degrees of wikipedia” search of Bar Refaeli, which led me to a link of David Charvet (of Baywatch fame – and very prideful American television show – and former Refaeli boyfriend), which led me to a link of Aaron Spelling (producer of another American masterpiece – Melrose Place), which led me to, none other than, Tori Spelling, which ironically did not lead me to Sudan, but instead to Beverly Hills, California – which by all accounts – may be less deserving of pride than Sudan anyway. As you can see, all things are connected and that is why pride and nationality go hand-in-hand.
Note: I tried to attach my replies to the comments to which they referred. It didn’t work. So, quick guide, in case anyone checks back:
1st -> N8
2nd ->Annick
3rd ->Flipper
4th ->ple
And this one for Luke: Mostly, it’s good that you got to see pics of Rafaeli.
Hey, followed the links from your article about whether contemporary music sucks on espn to here – really great writing.
I gotta say though, in regards to your observations about pride… I don’t think a reasonable person would go to Egypt and tell all the Egyptians living there that they had no right to be proud of the pyramids, that since they weren’t the ones who built them, they had no rationale for either a) being proud of them, or b) claiming them as part of their cultural heritage.
Same goes for the Chinese and the Great Wall, or maybe something more intangible, like Greeks and ancient philosophy, or perhaps Indian food and Indians. You can’t realistically hope to encounter members of these groups and expect none of them to feel proud of the fact that they belong to a community of people who produced those things in the past.
Its that cultural heritage or sense of ownership that makes someone proud of whatever the hell they identify with. That lady might’ve been proud of her Scottish heritage – and despite the fact that she had nothing to do with the fact that she is Scottish, she recognizes it as a significant aspect of her identity. And I doubt she’d agree that you being Irish and her being Scottish make you the same thing and the distinction between you meaningless.
I’m very proud to belong to this nation, but I’m not gonna wear a “proud to be an american” sticker because I think they’re dumb and represent a strain of blind, ignorant patriotism that is harmful to our society. I don’t see anything wrong with associating with a particular cultural heritage or background and feeling pride in being a member of it as long as it doesn’t preclude me from continuing to respect everyone else and treat them on equal terms. I didn’t do anything to become American besides be born to parents with American citizenship, but I do strongly identify with this country and am eminently aware of my identity when I go abroad.
I agree with you that many of the issues humans have with each other that lead to killing have roots in identity, but I think its erroneous to claim that the more pride people have in “arbitrary characteristics”, the greater the chance of violence.
I think, rather, that the chance of violence increases when the person uses that pride or their identity to de-humanize or de-value the life of members of other communities. People will always identify with various groups or heritages that they’re born into – i don’t think that can be educated out on a large scale since its pretty foundational in human development – but I do think people can be taught not to de-humanize members of other groups and see them as lesser people. Unless they’re from Ohio.
Gadzooks. Nice comment.
I’m too tired to match your length as I sit here, snowed in at a the Sleep Inn in Oakley, KS. I’ll say this: I know it’s too much to expect that those groups won’t identify with, or be proud of, the accomplishments of their forebears. But that doesn’t make doing so right, logical, or helpful.
I spent a year in Greece. I heard a lot about how superior the Greeks are b/c of what they’d done in the past. I think it’s this very type of thinking that gets people in trouble. We all have to keep progressing and contributing. Resting on the laurels of one’s ancestors is no way to get by.
The Greeks I met who were most proud of the accomplishments of the ancients were also the ones who were the quickest to degrade Macedonians and Turks. (Speaking of dislike based on geography – you’ve not seen hatred until you get Greeks talking about Turks, and vice versa.)
And again, while this is natural and something we’re used to, that doesn’t make it good or prosocial. It may not necessarily lead directly to violence, but its sometimes the first step. Give the history of Cyprus or Smyrna a look and you’ll see what I mean.
Thanks for reading. And thanks for finding us.
Big fan of this post; I feel very fortunate to be an American, but what did I do to EARN it? I take pride in something I accomplished, like putting together a bookshelf from Target or shotgunning a beer on my 40th birthday without puking. But in being an American? Well, I’m happy, and grateful, and willing to die if my country calls me to do so, even though I would most likely be protesting the war in question right up until my deployment, but I can’t take “pride” in something I did nothing to earn.
I am, however, proud of the fact that I left work early to stand in line at a local wine store to get a $15 bottle of wine autographed by none other than the legendary Dan Aykroyd. Shook his hand and everything. He’s proud to be Canadian, by the way.
And see, I’m proud that I learned how to Mailman a beer…from a Canadian.
Thanks for the comment.
Great point, Paul. Defending one’s identity when it is threatened is a basic part of every conflict, from who’s gonna buy the milk to palestine/israel.
But I think this phenomenon has had a much greater affect on Americans than you say. Didn’t somebody in the Bush administration say something like, “we don’t have to compromise our way of life”? Implying we have the right to live however we want no matter what anyone else says.
That has lead us to feel justified in fighting wars – leading to the deaths of many people, Americans and otherwise – in order to defend our way of life.
Whether you believe the wars are to defend our access to oil, or ‘give’ other people freedom (something which seems to be impossible), a lot of people are dying in places far away because we’re defending our identity. Which includes our feeling we deserve to live however we want, and that we’re spreaders of freedom and democracy around the globe (cause in the end it seems it’s more for us really than for them…)
I think that there is some mistake here in equating pride with jingoism (you used both terms). The former is often a good thing, the later is not. Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference, but the difference is important.
An autoworker having pride in one’s work will result in a good car. A person’s pride in their place of birth will hopefully result in a good country, if enough people have pride as well. Unlike you, I don’t think that a great country is something that people “didn’t actually do or accomplish”. Making a country great is the everyday work of every citizen.
If one can have pride in the collective accomplishments of a college basketball team, why not in the collective accomplishments of a nation?
As citizens we cannot rest in our desire to better our country. We have a responsibility to shape the ways and laws of our nation for good (bad paraphrase of Socrates). This task unquestionably requires a certain amount of pride, I would argue.
For example, I hope the pride I have in my country will prevent it from becoming some third-world place where I would have to pay for health care.
BTW… I’m definitely proud to have taught you how to mailman a beer.
Aaron-
Yes, the last 8 years have been scary. The phenomenon to which you refer – the feeling that we’re always justified, because we’re American – is no different from the mentality employed by Islamic fundamentalists. (Fundamentalists, mind you. Not all Muslims.) When anyone starts to think he/she/it is infallible, problems ensue.
Thanks for the comment.
Chet –
Who says its good to have pride in the accomplishments of a college basketball team? If you play for it, sure, it’s great. Otherwise, it doesn’t make much sense.
And yeah, if a guy makes a good car – tell him to take pride in it.
But I would submit that very few of the people I’ve met who claim to have overwhelming pride in their respective countries have actually done much to make that country the way it is. There are exceptions, of course. But not enough to warrant the level of pride we normally see.
Thanks for teaching me how to mailman a beer.
What a thought provoking piece!! For me at least, my pride for my ethnic heritage & being an American comes from being proud of my parent’s sacrifice & struggle as immigrants in the US to give me the life I lead. I don’t know how to really explain the sports pride though. I’m from Chicago, a huge sports city so it’s just all around all the time, you just get sucked into being a part of it all.
Good lord,
Do you go around saying these things out loud, or is writing your only outlet? And if you do go around saying these things, how have the people in your town, city or village not come after you with pitch forks and torches yet?
Paul, who makes a country great if not its citizens? It certainly isn’t politicians or idiots who work in glass towers. It is the guy who fills your gas or the woman who serves you eggs. Those people have a right to have pride in their country just as much as whoever the history books say did a lot to make the country the way it is.
If I judged the US by the idiot leaders you have had recently I would never set foot there. But instead I think about the guy who sold me shoes in NYC or the amazing workers who put up the Empire State building. It is people like that who make the US an amazing place. And damn right they have the right to some pride. The citizens make the country not the leaders or the elites.
You have travelled a lot more than me and I bet that in the places you liked many of the best memories are related to normal everyday people not the builders of the nation or some shit.
Evolutionary biology explains the development of strong in-group tendencies. Why do Greeks and Turks feel the way they do about each other? Because they’ve spent most of recorded history attacking each other, thinking about attacking each other, or being afraid of being attacked by the other. For 99% of human history, people have lived as tribes competing for resources rather than as “enlightened” modern civilizations that prize diversity and whatnot. You identify with your own kind because collective strength is the only chance of survival when your unfriendly neighbors start shooting arrows your way. Obviously it’s been a while since the Mongol horde descended on anybody, but cultural in-group thinking that developed over tens of thousands of years doesn’t go away quickly. I read Shirley’s book a long time ago, so my memory is fuzzy, but I seem to recall some pointed remarks about the isolation felt by a white, Midwestern pseudo-intellectual living in the NBA’s hip-hop culture (for lack of a better term). So, surely, he (you, if you’re reading this) know something about identifying with your own kind. I’m guessing you get along better with Mike Miller than Steve Francis. That sounds un-P.C. and possibly flat-out racist, but it’s the way we are programmed. You identify with people who are similar to you and being Scottish (for example) is a quick, easy identifier for you to establish commonality with someone else. Maybe this relates to the J-Date article. You identify yourself as a Jew for a variety of reasons, the simplest of which is it is the fastest way to develop commonality with someone you would like to hump.
Proud to be an American?…Of course I am proud to be an American. I am proud of all the work my/our fore-fathers put into this country. Proud to be associated and proud to live here. Did I or have I done anything to justify my pride…no, not as of yet in my life (does saving a few kids that couldn’t swim at the local pool count?). However, that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have pride. Reason being that I am here, I’ve spent my life in a country I enjoy greatly (I’ve been to other countries and so far I like this one the best).
I see myself as a product of my environment. I’ve done things in my life I am proud of: learned to drive a stick-shift, graduated HS & undergrad & grad school, lost my virginity :], dunked a basketball, first listened to NIN, etc…all of these accomplishments occurred in this country. As arbitrary as my feats may be to some they have meaning to me, espcially since most took place in the Applachian Mountains. Everything I done (life, experiences, women, etc.) have helped develop me into who I am as an individual. I identify myself as American. I am proud of that.
But I can say we can agree to disagree. I enjoyed the last 20 minutes ordering my rebutal, thanks. Very thought provoking piece. Keep it up, Paul! And post more tweets!! Have a good one.
Thanks for the 4th grade report on pride!
Wow, a racist, a moron, AND a thief! I found my way here from your screed about the poor, suffering Haitians. I’d like to point out that the premise of this article on pride, and in fact many of your specific points (almost verbatim) were lifted from the late, great George Carlin and one of his bits on national pride. For anyone who wants proof that Paul Shirley is a plagiarizing douchebag, just hit Google and search “George Carlin” + “Being Irish isn’t a skill”
To actually see Carlin perform one version of the bit, watch the HBO special named “It’s Bad For Ya.” Or Google “George Carlin on national and ethnic pride” to watch a YouTube clip of it.
Paul, didn’t you think anyone would notice? Well, now that I think of it, people who consider themselves regular readers of your “writing” probably have no clue who George Carlin was. For those people, he was an amazing and prolific writer, thinker, and satirist. And it’s sad that some his best work is being used by an asshat like Paul Shirley.
I have to admit that I stopped reading comments about halfway down – I am proud that humans have evolved to ponder our own existence : That’s us defining pride on this here blog. I am sometimes proud to be an American, perhaps when I look at how disgustingly corrupt and unorganized some countries choose to be. I’m proud that the country I was lucky enough to be born in and am currently supporting is not as corrupt and ugly as some. I am not always proud to be an American, when I watch us walk around with inflated egos thinking we are so perfect and better than everyone else because our way must be the only right way to live. American Pride can be an unfortunately similar to a religious experience. Likewise, there are the hypocrites. A large amount of the people infected with American Pride Religion don’t even vote, which is pretty much the most “American” thing a person could do.