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	<title>Comments on: Engagement Rings Are Stupid, by Matt Shirley</title>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My fiance and I are an odd mix of traditional and non-traditional. 
We couldn&#039;t image going for a diamond ring after researching what a load of smelly hype by DeBears having a diamond is. Plus I would slap him silly if he spend 10k on such a thing! That&#039;s a down-payment on a house or property!!
For awhile we toyed with the idea of not even having an engagement ring, just getting married. 
But he wanted to &#039;pop the question&#039; so there had to be a ring. I brought up the idea that we both would have engagement rings... but he thought that when people saw him with a ring they would assume we were already married and we&#039;d have to explain why both had a ring.. ect ect. So we caved.
And so we picked out the stone and ring a few months ago and he surprised me wit the timing of the question. I now have a white gold engagement ring with a ice blue sapphire on it. Because sapphires are prettier than diamonds at the fraction of the mark-up diamonds have.

Personally, I would have been all for going to courthouse and getting married and that&#039;s all. But.. as I said odd mix of traditional and non-traditional. The sole reason I see for us to even get married is in the case of us is badly hurt or dies. Since we are of opposite genders it is just easier to be married in such a case than trying to set up complicated power of attorney just to be able to make medical decisions for each-other. :/

I&#039;m still in favor of elopement as a big wedding can cost as much as the down-payment I mentioned before. But already all my girl friends want to talk wedding planning. They would love for me to participate in &#039;the running of the brides&#039; to pick out a traditional white dress. 

Ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My fiance and I are an odd mix of traditional and non-traditional.<br />
We couldn&#8217;t image going for a diamond ring after researching what a load of smelly hype by DeBears having a diamond is. Plus I would slap him silly if he spend 10k on such a thing! That&#8217;s a down-payment on a house or property!!<br />
For awhile we toyed with the idea of not even having an engagement ring, just getting married.<br />
But he wanted to &#8216;pop the question&#8217; so there had to be a ring. I brought up the idea that we both would have engagement rings&#8230; but he thought that when people saw him with a ring they would assume we were already married and we&#8217;d have to explain why both had a ring.. ect ect. So we caved.<br />
And so we picked out the stone and ring a few months ago and he surprised me wit the timing of the question. I now have a white gold engagement ring with a ice blue sapphire on it. Because sapphires are prettier than diamonds at the fraction of the mark-up diamonds have.</p>
<p>Personally, I would have been all for going to courthouse and getting married and that&#8217;s all. But.. as I said odd mix of traditional and non-traditional. The sole reason I see for us to even get married is in the case of us is badly hurt or dies. Since we are of opposite genders it is just easier to be married in such a case than trying to set up complicated power of attorney just to be able to make medical decisions for each-other. :/</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still in favor of elopement as a big wedding can cost as much as the down-payment I mentioned before. But already all my girl friends want to talk wedding planning. They would love for me to participate in &#8216;the running of the brides&#8217; to pick out a traditional white dress. </p>
<p>Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Celianna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celianna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me and my boyfriend are a very, non-traditional couple. We hate weddings, we hate anything associated with &#039;traditional couple stuff&#039;. We think it&#039;s stupid, and we just like to go about our own way. We both thought engagement rings are stupid, and weddings are even more stupid and a big money waster (when you could use that money to buy an apartment, and lotsa food for survival). So no, I didn&#039;t want an engagement ring, and if he ever bought me one, I&#039;d be scolding him until there is no tomorrow - because he wasted money!

However, we do both wear matching rings. It&#039;s just a simple silver ring, and on the inside it has our anniversary date engraved into it. It&#039;s sentimental, and we wear it all the time. It didn&#039;t even cost me more than 40 dollars to buy and engrave them both (yup, the girl bought it! not the guy!).

Case in point; find a partner who has the same views as you. I can&#039;t imagine if my boyfriend was into these traditional stuff, I would have left him for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me and my boyfriend are a very, non-traditional couple. We hate weddings, we hate anything associated with &#8216;traditional couple stuff&#8217;. We think it&#8217;s stupid, and we just like to go about our own way. We both thought engagement rings are stupid, and weddings are even more stupid and a big money waster (when you could use that money to buy an apartment, and lotsa food for survival). So no, I didn&#8217;t want an engagement ring, and if he ever bought me one, I&#8217;d be scolding him until there is no tomorrow &#8211; because he wasted money!</p>
<p>However, we do both wear matching rings. It&#8217;s just a simple silver ring, and on the inside it has our anniversary date engraved into it. It&#8217;s sentimental, and we wear it all the time. It didn&#8217;t even cost me more than 40 dollars to buy and engrave them both (yup, the girl bought it! not the guy!).</p>
<p>Case in point; find a partner who has the same views as you. I can&#8217;t imagine if my boyfriend was into these traditional stuff, I would have left him for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie Trodella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie Trodella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good read.
While it would be simply desirable to wear a 10k-15k and UP… It is truly the MAN- THE HUMAN BEING giving you the ring that all in all, COUNTS. Many woman are jaded, and some men too. Tradition is mostly out the window for the money grubbing women anyway- so who cares what she wants. Hell- IF YOU HAVE THE MEANS TO BUY A FANCY SHMANCY RING for your lady- and you (the man) truly feel that deep down in your heart she will treat you like a man whom she ultimatly will RESPECT to The End- THEN hell- buy her that ring, it’s not going to put a damper on your salary. BUT…… If you have to skip meals, and never have the luxury of going on a simple vacation over it- then toss the girl. No one should go broke over a dimond ring. I know a lot of pretty people with very expensive rings- and they are all in unfaitful marriages- You do the math!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good read.<br />
While it would be simply desirable to wear a 10k-15k and UP… It is truly the MAN- THE HUMAN BEING giving you the ring that all in all, COUNTS. Many woman are jaded, and some men too. Tradition is mostly out the window for the money grubbing women anyway- so who cares what she wants. Hell- IF YOU HAVE THE MEANS TO BUY A FANCY SHMANCY RING for your lady- and you (the man) truly feel that deep down in your heart she will treat you like a man whom she ultimatly will RESPECT to The End- THEN hell- buy her that ring, it’s not going to put a damper on your salary. BUT…… If you have to skip meals, and never have the luxury of going on a simple vacation over it- then toss the girl. No one should go broke over a dimond ring. I know a lot of pretty people with very expensive rings- and they are all in unfaitful marriages- You do the math!</p>
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		<title>By: M Trodella</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Trodella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good read. 
While it would be simply desirable to wear a 10k-15k and UP... It is truly the MAN- THE HUMAN BEING giving you the ring that all in all, COUNTS. Many woman are jaded, and some men too. Tradition is mostly out the window for the money grubbing women anyway- so who cares what she wants. Hell- IF YOU HAVE THE MEANS TO BUY A FANCY SHMANCY RING for your lady- and you (the man) truly feel that deep down in your heart she will treat you like a man whome she ultimatly will RESPECT to The End- THEN hell- buy her that ring, it&#039;s not going to put a damper on your salary. BUT...... If you have to skip meals, and never have the luxury of going on a simple vacation over it- then toss the girl. No one should go broke over a dimond ring. I know a lot of pretty people with very expensive rings- and they are all in unfaitful marriages- You do the math!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good read.<br />
While it would be simply desirable to wear a 10k-15k and UP&#8230; It is truly the MAN- THE HUMAN BEING giving you the ring that all in all, COUNTS. Many woman are jaded, and some men too. Tradition is mostly out the window for the money grubbing women anyway- so who cares what she wants. Hell- IF YOU HAVE THE MEANS TO BUY A FANCY SHMANCY RING for your lady- and you (the man) truly feel that deep down in your heart she will treat you like a man whome she ultimatly will RESPECT to The End- THEN hell- buy her that ring, it&#8217;s not going to put a damper on your salary. BUT&#8230;&#8230; If you have to skip meals, and never have the luxury of going on a simple vacation over it- then toss the girl. No one should go broke over a dimond ring. I know a lot of pretty people with very expensive rings- and they are all in unfaitful marriages- You do the math!</p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vanessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in total agreement with you on this one. Engagement rings are completely unncessary, and I know that most ladies don&#039;t feel the same way as I do on this topic. In fact, nothing irks me more than newly engaged women showing off their rings to the gaggle. 

Years ago I warned my then-boyfriend that if he wanted to propose, I would not accept a ring, but rather an engagement iPod (you know, back when they were like $500) or some other practical &quot;token&quot;. 

What fun is a ring, anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in total agreement with you on this one. Engagement rings are completely unncessary, and I know that most ladies don&#8217;t feel the same way as I do on this topic. In fact, nothing irks me more than newly engaged women showing off their rings to the gaggle. </p>
<p>Years ago I warned my then-boyfriend that if he wanted to propose, I would not accept a ring, but rather an engagement iPod (you know, back when they were like $500) or some other practical &#8220;token&#8221;. </p>
<p>What fun is a ring, anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In that vein of thought, peeing on you boyfriend would probably be a much better way of dissuading other women at a bar from hitting on him than giving him a ring.&quot;

Uh... Every single married man I have known gets hit on much more at the bar post-ring than before they received a ring. That is a fact. Women (typically the gold-digger types you are more than likely going to meet at the bars and clubs) are attracted more to a man who is &quot;proven&quot; than a man who has not proven he made some girl happy somewhere already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In that vein of thought, peeing on you boyfriend would probably be a much better way of dissuading other women at a bar from hitting on him than giving him a ring.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh&#8230; Every single married man I have known gets hit on much more at the bar post-ring than before they received a ring. That is a fact. Women (typically the gold-digger types you are more than likely going to meet at the bars and clubs) are attracted more to a man who is &#8220;proven&#8221; than a man who has not proven he made some girl happy somewhere already.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I will expect some sort of sparkly ring/jewelry when I get engaged.&quot;

I honestly believe that many women are just expecting it not because they actually WANT a sparkly diamond but because of how they are going to be judged by other women for the rest of their lives.

I&#039;ve seen so many catty bitches mock each other and judge their choice in men, and position of status all over the size of a stupid rock. I think in most women&#039;s minds, even if they do not really LIKE the way a diamond ring looks (being an artist I can appreciate the worksmanship and artistry of any jewelery) — the woman is going to want one just so they don&#039;t have to put up with all the behind-the-back gossip, strange looks, and catty comments they will receive every time they walk into a room.

It is much easier to go with the flow than the strike out on your own.

Diamonds cost so much because people were scammed into believing the hype and the falsified supply vs. demand. Not to mention, entire nations have been enslaved for the benefit of 2 wealthy families.

Tree huggers are my favorite... It takes roughly what... 300 tons of earth to unearth one small diamond? So what exactly is the &quot;carbon footprint&quot; of that stupid little rock on your finger while you are out spewing all your global warming bullshit on the masses?

Think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I will expect some sort of sparkly ring/jewelry when I get engaged.&#8221;</p>
<p>I honestly believe that many women are just expecting it not because they actually WANT a sparkly diamond but because of how they are going to be judged by other women for the rest of their lives.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen so many catty bitches mock each other and judge their choice in men, and position of status all over the size of a stupid rock. I think in most women&#8217;s minds, even if they do not really LIKE the way a diamond ring looks (being an artist I can appreciate the worksmanship and artistry of any jewelery) — the woman is going to want one just so they don&#8217;t have to put up with all the behind-the-back gossip, strange looks, and catty comments they will receive every time they walk into a room.</p>
<p>It is much easier to go with the flow than the strike out on your own.</p>
<p>Diamonds cost so much because people were scammed into believing the hype and the falsified supply vs. demand. Not to mention, entire nations have been enslaved for the benefit of 2 wealthy families.</p>
<p>Tree huggers are my favorite&#8230; It takes roughly what&#8230; 300 tons of earth to unearth one small diamond? So what exactly is the &#8220;carbon footprint&#8221; of that stupid little rock on your finger while you are out spewing all your global warming bullshit on the masses?</p>
<p>Think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a woman and I think engagement rings are stupid. THey are nothing more than a status symbol to show off to other women and say &quot;hey! I&#039;ve found a man who has the financial means and willingness to spend thousands on me!&quot;  I simply don&#039;t play that game. Other than that, engagement rings are pretty useless.  Instead, my fiancee and I took a 15k engagement trip to Fiji.  What a better way to spend 10k and celebrate our engagement and love!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a woman and I think engagement rings are stupid. THey are nothing more than a status symbol to show off to other women and say &#8220;hey! I&#8217;ve found a man who has the financial means and willingness to spend thousands on me!&#8221;  I simply don&#8217;t play that game. Other than that, engagement rings are pretty useless.  Instead, my fiancee and I took a 15k engagement trip to Fiji.  What a better way to spend 10k and celebrate our engagement and love!!!</p>
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		<title>By: M Shirley</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Shirley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes erin, awesome tirade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes erin, awesome tirade.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My ring was so small and inexpensive that one needed a magnifier to see the diamond! I preferred having a nice fishing rod... I have been married for 28 years and the ring is somewhere in my jewelry box but I know where my fishing rod is, believe me…
As for my husband, he loves his football championship ring, knows where it is, but I doubt that he knows where the wedding band is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ring was so small and inexpensive that one needed a magnifier to see the diamond! I preferred having a nice fishing rod&#8230; I have been married for 28 years and the ring is somewhere in my jewelry box but I know where my fishing rod is, believe me…<br />
As for my husband, he loves his football championship ring, knows where it is, but I doubt that he knows where the wedding band is!</p>
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