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	<title>Comments on: Before And After, by Mick Shaffer</title>
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		<title>By: Misanthrope</title>
		<link>http://www.flipcollective.com/2010/01/27/before-and-after-by-mick-shaffer/comment-page-1/#comment-5783</link>
		<dc:creator>Misanthrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 00:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that was a funny post. I like how honest it was though. P90x definitely isn&#039;t a walk in the park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that was a funny post. I like how honest it was though. P90x definitely isn&#8217;t a walk in the park.</p>
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		<title>By: M Shirley</title>
		<link>http://www.flipcollective.com/2010/01/27/before-and-after-by-mick-shaffer/comment-page-1/#comment-3217</link>
		<dc:creator>M Shirley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone read the title of Paul&#039;s article.  Kind of sums up the point that everyone&#039;s missing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone read the title of Paul&#8217;s article.  Kind of sums up the point that everyone&#8217;s missing.</p>
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		<title>By: M Shaffer</title>
		<link>http://www.flipcollective.com/2010/01/27/before-and-after-by-mick-shaffer/comment-page-1/#comment-3015</link>
		<dc:creator>M Shaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Fazerski actually go back and sift through 1700 comments to find that Annick&#039;s?  Only to re-post and reply it onto stories about P90X and Cheese, so as to stand out amongst the other 1700 comments?  Crafty.  Exhausting and a little scary, but crafty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Fazerski actually go back and sift through 1700 comments to find that Annick&#8217;s?  Only to re-post and reply it onto stories about P90X and Cheese, so as to stand out amongst the other 1700 comments?  Crafty.  Exhausting and a little scary, but crafty.</p>
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		<title>By: Annick</title>
		<link>http://www.flipcollective.com/2010/01/27/before-and-after-by-mick-shaffer/comment-page-1/#comment-2988</link>
		<dc:creator>Annick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fazerski - I&#039;ve actually been working on it. Give it time. I don&#039;t agree with the way Paul presented the case, nor do I agree with his timing. But in due time, with the climate change, increasing income gaps, population growth and depletion of resources, there are some larger questions we&#039;ll have to address at one point or another. And yes, Paul could have done a better job at prompting those questions, could have done a better job at separating the issue of relief aid and long term rebuilding aid, and I&#039;m sure he realizes this now.

Little Paul can handle the hard feelings, i just don&#039;t think name calling is productive at all in addressing those issues. That&#039;s all for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fazerski &#8211; I&#8217;ve actually been working on it. Give it time. I don&#8217;t agree with the way Paul presented the case, nor do I agree with his timing. But in due time, with the climate change, increasing income gaps, population growth and depletion of resources, there are some larger questions we&#8217;ll have to address at one point or another. And yes, Paul could have done a better job at prompting those questions, could have done a better job at separating the issue of relief aid and long term rebuilding aid, and I&#8217;m sure he realizes this now.</p>
<p>Little Paul can handle the hard feelings, i just don&#8217;t think name calling is productive at all in addressing those issues. That&#8217;s all for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Fazerski</title>
		<link>http://www.flipcollective.com/2010/01/27/before-and-after-by-mick-shaffer/comment-page-1/#comment-2930</link>
		<dc:creator>Fazerski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this is what you said in reaction to people being critical of the incomparable Paul Shirley&#039;s article, Annick Labadie?

&quot;1. Paul is a cunt/jackass/douchebag/[insert insult here]. Real constructive. 

2. Paul is in search of attention. Ok, we get it.

 3. This rant makes sense (for A through Z reasons). 

4. This rant doesn’t make sense for A through Z reasons.

Why don’t you stick to 3 and 4. 1 and 2 don’t fuel constructive discussion. Why don’t you try and listen to what Paul is writing, process it rationally instead of blindly deconstructing individual sentences and impressing yourselves with witticisms followed by witty insults. Try and see the point: which is to make sure that mistakes are not repeated before blindly donating. Then, if upon inspection you think this question is besides the point, or think that donating is worth it, then just say why.
Simple.&quot;

So you agree with Paul Shirley&#039;s article? Please, tell us some more about the pitfalls we should be wary about before donating. 

Because, god forbid, a nine year old in Haiti whose entire family was just buried alive in an earthquake might actually get clean drinking water tonight if you donate money, right? Or a now-homeless woman with two children to look after might actually get antibiotics to fight the massive infection which will surely kill her (originating from the gaping wound in her leg she sustained when her house collapsed around her)? 

Yeah, those are terrible outcomes. We should be extremely careful and deliberative about making sure &quot;mistakes&quot; like that aren&#039;t repeated before we donate money. And, also, amidst the small sea of blood, death, and apocalyptic resonance of sorrow and grief in Haiti, we should be very, very careful about saying anything that might hurt poor little Paul Shirley&#039;s feelings.

Does that sum it up? Do you ever look in a mirror and wonder - am I rotting from the inside?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is what you said in reaction to people being critical of the incomparable Paul Shirley&#8217;s article, Annick Labadie?</p>
<p>&#8220;1. Paul is a cunt/jackass/douchebag/[insert insult here]. Real constructive. </p>
<p>2. Paul is in search of attention. Ok, we get it.</p>
<p> 3. This rant makes sense (for A through Z reasons). </p>
<p>4. This rant doesn’t make sense for A through Z reasons.</p>
<p>Why don’t you stick to 3 and 4. 1 and 2 don’t fuel constructive discussion. Why don’t you try and listen to what Paul is writing, process it rationally instead of blindly deconstructing individual sentences and impressing yourselves with witticisms followed by witty insults. Try and see the point: which is to make sure that mistakes are not repeated before blindly donating. Then, if upon inspection you think this question is besides the point, or think that donating is worth it, then just say why.<br />
Simple.&#8221;</p>
<p>So you agree with Paul Shirley&#8217;s article? Please, tell us some more about the pitfalls we should be wary about before donating. </p>
<p>Because, god forbid, a nine year old in Haiti whose entire family was just buried alive in an earthquake might actually get clean drinking water tonight if you donate money, right? Or a now-homeless woman with two children to look after might actually get antibiotics to fight the massive infection which will surely kill her (originating from the gaping wound in her leg she sustained when her house collapsed around her)? </p>
<p>Yeah, those are terrible outcomes. We should be extremely careful and deliberative about making sure &#8220;mistakes&#8221; like that aren&#8217;t repeated before we donate money. And, also, amidst the small sea of blood, death, and apocalyptic resonance of sorrow and grief in Haiti, we should be very, very careful about saying anything that might hurt poor little Paul Shirley&#8217;s feelings.</p>
<p>Does that sum it up? Do you ever look in a mirror and wonder &#8211; am I rotting from the inside?</p>
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		<title>By: M Shaffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Shaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I think I could press legitimate charges of assault on Tony for what he&#039;s done to my body.  Gosh, that didn&#039;t sound good.  And I&#039;ve learned the P stands for Power.

Mysterious &quot;why don&#039;t you all&quot; poster, I want to be there for Weeks 5, 7 and 9.  And if you can really walk up &quot;stars&quot; in Week 1, then I want to see it. :)  Wk 13: P90X cluttering up your parents house even more.

Matt, why don&#039;t you all walk in Paul&#039;s size 19 shoes before you judge him.

Native, I bet Tony Horton&#039;s even read Paul&#039;s article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I think I could press legitimate charges of assault on Tony for what he&#8217;s done to my body.  Gosh, that didn&#8217;t sound good.  And I&#8217;ve learned the P stands for Power.</p>
<p>Mysterious &#8220;why don&#8217;t you all&#8221; poster, I want to be there for Weeks 5, 7 and 9.  And if you can really walk up &#8220;stars&#8221; in Week 1, then I want to see it. <img src='http://www.flipcollective.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Wk 13: P90X cluttering up your parents house even more.</p>
<p>Matt, why don&#8217;t you all walk in Paul&#8217;s size 19 shoes before you judge him.</p>
<p>Native, I bet Tony Horton&#8217;s even read Paul&#8217;s article.</p>
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		<title>By: annick</title>
		<link>http://www.flipcollective.com/2010/01/27/before-and-after-by-mick-shaffer/comment-page-1/#comment-2765</link>
		<dc:creator>annick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why don&#039;t you all... tell Matt Shirley how incredibly smart, insightful, and funny he is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why don&#8217;t you all&#8230; tell Matt Shirley how incredibly smart, insightful, and funny he is?</p>
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		<title>By: Native Minnow</title>
		<link>http://www.flipcollective.com/2010/01/27/before-and-after-by-mick-shaffer/comment-page-1/#comment-2724</link>
		<dc:creator>Native Minnow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P90X scares me.

So do all these comments Paul&#039;s been getting on his posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P90X scares me.</p>
<p>So do all these comments Paul&#8217;s been getting on his posts.</p>
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		<title>By: M Shirley</title>
		<link>http://www.flipcollective.com/2010/01/27/before-and-after-by-mick-shaffer/comment-page-1/#comment-2596</link>
		<dc:creator>M Shirley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lets play End Annick&#039;s Sentence.  Me first.  

Why don&#039;t you all...fist yourselves.  No that sounds like something I would say.  
Why don&#039;t you all...go suck an egg.  Hmm, that&#039;s too Dick Tracy.  
Why don&#039;t you all...take a minute and look at yourselves before you judge other people.  Nope that&#039;s too gay.  

I&#039;m stumped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets play End Annick&#8217;s Sentence.  Me first.  </p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you all&#8230;fist yourselves.  No that sounds like something I would say.<br />
Why don&#8217;t you all&#8230;go suck an egg.  Hmm, that&#8217;s too Dick Tracy.<br />
Why don&#8217;t you all&#8230;take a minute and look at yourselves before you judge other people.  Nope that&#8217;s too gay.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m stumped.</p>
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		<title>By: wooops</title>
		<link>http://www.flipcollective.com/2010/01/27/before-and-after-by-mick-shaffer/comment-page-1/#comment-2584</link>
		<dc:creator>wooops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, obviously, i posted as &quot;why don&#039;t you all&quot; on Paul&#039;s other article. Forgot to change my name back. I dare you to actually find that comment.

(Yes, this is Annick)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, obviously, i posted as &#8220;why don&#8217;t you all&#8221; on Paul&#8217;s other article. Forgot to change my name back. I dare you to actually find that comment.</p>
<p>(Yes, this is Annick)</p>
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