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	<title>Comments on: News As Entertainment/Entertainment As News, by Paul Shirley</title>
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		<title>By: Mike K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay wrote: &quot;Thought you’re “firing” by ESPN was absolutely absurd.&quot;

(Man, if I only had a dollar for everyone who still doesn&#039;t know the difference between &quot;your&quot; and &quot;you&#039;re&quot;. But that&#039;s another story...)

Are you kidding me? People are actually criticizing ESPN for this? I read the Haiti column several times over - whatever Mr. Shirley&#039;s intent was in writing it, the piece as written comes across as ignorant, arrogant and just plain offensive. I&#039;m not the least bit surprised that ESPN (or any other media outlet, for that matter) wouldn&#039;t want to employ the person who wrote it. Either Paul Shirley really is a cold-hearted, insensitive bigot, or he was just trying to play devil&#039;s advocate (the old &quot;just trying to make people think&quot; excuse) and failed miserably. Either way, there&#039;s nothing absurd about ESPN letting him go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay wrote: &#8220;Thought you’re “firing” by ESPN was absolutely absurd.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Man, if I only had a dollar for everyone who still doesn&#8217;t know the difference between &#8220;your&#8221; and &#8220;you&#8217;re&#8221;. But that&#8217;s another story&#8230;)</p>
<p>Are you kidding me? People are actually criticizing ESPN for this? I read the Haiti column several times over &#8211; whatever Mr. Shirley&#8217;s intent was in writing it, the piece as written comes across as ignorant, arrogant and just plain offensive. I&#8217;m not the least bit surprised that ESPN (or any other media outlet, for that matter) wouldn&#8217;t want to employ the person who wrote it. Either Paul Shirley really is a cold-hearted, insensitive bigot, or he was just trying to play devil&#8217;s advocate (the old &#8220;just trying to make people think&#8221; excuse) and failed miserably. Either way, there&#8217;s nothing absurd about ESPN letting him go.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I read this post before I even knew about the Haiti post.  Don&#039;t check the site every day, more like once every few weeks, like a magazine or journal.  I&#039;m guessing that I am one of the few people who read this piece without the Haiti piece coloring their opinion of this one.

This one was brilliant.  

I was initially taken back by the cold lack of decency the Haiti article was cloaked in.   However, I appreciate your being willing to talk about hard topics honestly.  How long will most people care about Haiti, and how much will they really do?  Myself included, bleeding heart I am.  Something much more exciting will come up, probably around the time a Jersey Shore sex tape comes out, and people will go back to forgetting about where Haiti is.

Sadly, I think our society has decided &quot;Fuck Haiti&quot;.  We did a long time ago, and we&#039;ll get back to it soon enough.  Your article is merely emblematic of that philosophy, albeit fleshed out with 4000 more words.   I would be surprised if people didn&#039;t react like they did.  This makes them feel better.  

I&#039;m disappointed in your view on Haiti, but I think it&#039;s simply a reflection of the essential American ethos, and maybe even human nature.  We&#039;re all fine with everyone else&#039;s suffering, so long as we&#039;re fat and happy- after all, we rationalize that we deserve it, because we have worked for it.  But honestly, did I deserve to be born in America to college-educated parents as opposed to a Haitian prostitute?  

I wish we had evolved to a state where the suffering of others caused us to in act in ways to improve the lives of others.  Sadly, we haven&#039;t.  

Enjoy your work, even if I disagree with you.  Thanks for writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I read this post before I even knew about the Haiti post.  Don&#8217;t check the site every day, more like once every few weeks, like a magazine or journal.  I&#8217;m guessing that I am one of the few people who read this piece without the Haiti piece coloring their opinion of this one.</p>
<p>This one was brilliant.  </p>
<p>I was initially taken back by the cold lack of decency the Haiti article was cloaked in.   However, I appreciate your being willing to talk about hard topics honestly.  How long will most people care about Haiti, and how much will they really do?  Myself included, bleeding heart I am.  Something much more exciting will come up, probably around the time a Jersey Shore sex tape comes out, and people will go back to forgetting about where Haiti is.</p>
<p>Sadly, I think our society has decided &#8220;Fuck Haiti&#8221;.  We did a long time ago, and we&#8217;ll get back to it soon enough.  Your article is merely emblematic of that philosophy, albeit fleshed out with 4000 more words.   I would be surprised if people didn&#8217;t react like they did.  This makes them feel better.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m disappointed in your view on Haiti, but I think it&#8217;s simply a reflection of the essential American ethos, and maybe even human nature.  We&#8217;re all fine with everyone else&#8217;s suffering, so long as we&#8217;re fat and happy- after all, we rationalize that we deserve it, because we have worked for it.  But honestly, did I deserve to be born in America to college-educated parents as opposed to a Haitian prostitute?  </p>
<p>I wish we had evolved to a state where the suffering of others caused us to in act in ways to improve the lives of others.  Sadly, we haven&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Enjoy your work, even if I disagree with you.  Thanks for writing.</p>
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		<title>By: I was a fan...</title>
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		<dc:creator>I was a fan...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wrong user name, though I doubt my comments will be taken seriously now as being objective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wrong user name, though I doubt my comments will be taken seriously now as being objective.</p>
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		<title>By: I was a fan... you are pathetic</title>
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		<dc:creator>I was a fan... you are pathetic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing... even though I disliked the column I don&#039;t think you need to apologize.  It&#039;s a free country and all opinions are valid on some level.  I will continue to read your writing as I always have, just with a different view of the author.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing&#8230; even though I disliked the column I don&#8217;t think you need to apologize.  It&#8217;s a free country and all opinions are valid on some level.  I will continue to read your writing as I always have, just with a different view of the author.</p>
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		<title>By: I was a fan... you are pathetic</title>
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		<dc:creator>I was a fan... you are pathetic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Paul,

I read your whole Haiti piece and was offended by the disgusting and demeaning language in it.  You hid valid points under a sea of racially and economically loaded words.  My overall reaction (and anger) to your piece was your complete lack of cultural, economic, or historic elements in relation to the plight of Haitians, and poverty stricken people across the globe.

I do agree with your point that many people only read snippets of your article and thus did not judge it properly.  Two things about that; first if you don&#039;t want to have your message misconstrued don&#039;t use &quot;shock language&quot; like ever other blogger out there.  I understand your article wasn&#039;t about &quot;using a condom,&quot; but it&#039;s also hard to get back such crass, BS language.  Secondly, I truly don&#039;t think opinions of your article would be altered significantly if the entire article was written. 

.... I remember hearing a story you told once about riding in a car with jannero pargo after a Bull&#039;s practice... he asked you if you had any kids and you were incensed.... I read your Haiti column and remembered your attitude towards what you perceived to be ignorant NBA players having children... You are placing blame on other people now, but their skin color hasn&#039;t changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Paul,</p>
<p>I read your whole Haiti piece and was offended by the disgusting and demeaning language in it.  You hid valid points under a sea of racially and economically loaded words.  My overall reaction (and anger) to your piece was your complete lack of cultural, economic, or historic elements in relation to the plight of Haitians, and poverty stricken people across the globe.</p>
<p>I do agree with your point that many people only read snippets of your article and thus did not judge it properly.  Two things about that; first if you don&#8217;t want to have your message misconstrued don&#8217;t use &#8220;shock language&#8221; like ever other blogger out there.  I understand your article wasn&#8217;t about &#8220;using a condom,&#8221; but it&#8217;s also hard to get back such crass, BS language.  Secondly, I truly don&#8217;t think opinions of your article would be altered significantly if the entire article was written. </p>
<p>&#8230;. I remember hearing a story you told once about riding in a car with jannero pargo after a Bull&#8217;s practice&#8230; he asked you if you had any kids and you were incensed&#8230;. I read your Haiti column and remembered your attitude towards what you perceived to be ignorant NBA players having children&#8230; You are placing blame on other people now, but their skin color hasn&#8217;t changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Sykes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sykes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, 
Excellent work, I hope that many people spend the time and really read your article and perform the nearly lost art of &quot;thinking.&quot;  Your accurate take on today&#039;s &quot;journalism&quot; reminded me of a couple of Dan Carlin&#039;s Common Sense Podcasts.  Being a former media guy, he has some first-hand accounts of the bastardization of news.  I see the mob mentality on a daily basis on the internet; either by painting Fox News as the ultimate evil or the vast left-leaning as the commie-boogieman out to get us all.  The truth is that money is what makes everything go.  This is the case in sports, in entertainment, and in just about everything else it seems.  I can&#039;t hate Fox News for recognizing a huge untapped market that was being overlooked; just as I can&#039;t beat up on MSNBC for swinging the other direction.  

As a reader that has been reading your ups and downs since shortly after you turned in that Phoenix uniform, I will not be jumping off now.  I appreciate your thought provoking writing and humor.  On top of that, I feel almost indebted to you for all of the excellent music recommendations that you have passed along (Phoenix &amp; Passion Pit especially).

-S Sykes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,<br />
Excellent work, I hope that many people spend the time and really read your article and perform the nearly lost art of &#8220;thinking.&#8221;  Your accurate take on today&#8217;s &#8220;journalism&#8221; reminded me of a couple of Dan Carlin&#8217;s Common Sense Podcasts.  Being a former media guy, he has some first-hand accounts of the bastardization of news.  I see the mob mentality on a daily basis on the internet; either by painting Fox News as the ultimate evil or the vast left-leaning as the commie-boogieman out to get us all.  The truth is that money is what makes everything go.  This is the case in sports, in entertainment, and in just about everything else it seems.  I can&#8217;t hate Fox News for recognizing a huge untapped market that was being overlooked; just as I can&#8217;t beat up on MSNBC for swinging the other direction.  </p>
<p>As a reader that has been reading your ups and downs since shortly after you turned in that Phoenix uniform, I will not be jumping off now.  I appreciate your thought provoking writing and humor.  On top of that, I feel almost indebted to you for all of the excellent music recommendations that you have passed along (Phoenix &amp; Passion Pit especially).</p>
<p>-S Sykes</p>
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		<title>By: DanesFan34</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanesFan34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Paul,

Go away.  Your 15 minutes are up.  Time to pack it in.    

Sincerely,
the rest of the world</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Paul,</p>
<p>Go away.  Your 15 minutes are up.  Time to pack it in.    </p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
the rest of the world</p>
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		<title>By: adelsig</title>
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		<dc:creator>adelsig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Some say that members of the media have a bias.  Most, that that bias is liberal.  I would say that the bias is toward stories that can be turned into entertainment.  That is, the bias is a sensational one.  In an effort to turn stories into entertainment, they are sensationalized.&quot;


couldn&#039;t be said any better paul.  great job with this essay.  now, i think i&#039;m supposed to comment somewhere here about what a terrible human being you are, right?  :)

really used to enjoy your music articles on ESPN...but you wrote about the piracy issue here a month ago or so?  would love to see an alternate view on that, which contends music is marketing...different business model.  and how the internet has changed the distribution of music to the (not so) mainstream....kind of in line with this article, actually.

anyways...ever read albini&#039;s take on the music industry?  http://www.negativland.com/albini.html  what the internet has ruined and limited to sensationalism and opinions, i think it has also liberated and empowered musicians and artists to be much more self reliant.  kind of off topic, but it&#039;s a huge passion of mine.

enough rambling...thanks for the essay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Some say that members of the media have a bias.  Most, that that bias is liberal.  I would say that the bias is toward stories that can be turned into entertainment.  That is, the bias is a sensational one.  In an effort to turn stories into entertainment, they are sensationalized.&#8221;</p>
<p>couldn&#8217;t be said any better paul.  great job with this essay.  now, i think i&#8217;m supposed to comment somewhere here about what a terrible human being you are, right?  <img src='http://www.flipcollective.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>really used to enjoy your music articles on ESPN&#8230;but you wrote about the piracy issue here a month ago or so?  would love to see an alternate view on that, which contends music is marketing&#8230;different business model.  and how the internet has changed the distribution of music to the (not so) mainstream&#8230;.kind of in line with this article, actually.</p>
<p>anyways&#8230;ever read albini&#8217;s take on the music industry?  <a href="http://www.negativland.com/albini.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.negativland.com/albini.html?referer=');">http://www.negativland.com/albini.html</a>  what the internet has ruined and limited to sensationalism and opinions, i think it has also liberated and empowered musicians and artists to be much more self reliant.  kind of off topic, but it&#8217;s a huge passion of mine.</p>
<p>enough rambling&#8230;thanks for the essay.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret Bearup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret Bearup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed this one young man.  Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed this one young man.  Well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Illini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Illini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely done.  As a TV journalist myself in Chicago I&#039;ve been fascinated by the evolution, good or bad, of the profession.  As an aside, we&#039;ve kind of come full circle to the day of yellow muckracking journalism, but I digress.  For every &quot;real&quot; and unbiased writer, there are another ten out there who are &quot;columnists&quot; who editorialize and present their opinion as truth and/or don&#039;t present the ENTIRE set of thoughts in order to skew the reader&#039;s opinion (who&#039;s still programmed to take what they read as absolute and unbiased truth).  A great recent example is your Haiti article...I saw that tracked in a few spots that threw out the most inflammatory comments while keeping your rationale behind the thoughts out of the story (and in full disclosure, I also disagreed with you on that one but thought it was well-reasoned and respect your right to have that opinion).  
I&#039;m gonna name-drop here, but I had the good fortune to interview Cal Ripken, Jr. this past weekend...before we were set to go, I joked that I had a long list of steroid-related questions to ask and then edit his responses to in irresponsible soundbites (my interview was actually only focused on his Ripken Baseball clinics).  That prompted a little bit of a conversation on how media has changed and the most benign of comments can be presented out of context in irresponsible hands.  I couldn&#039;t agree more.  I&#039;m not sure where the business is headed, but we need the true media watchdogs.  I hope they don&#039;t get forced out in the name of entertainment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely done.  As a TV journalist myself in Chicago I&#8217;ve been fascinated by the evolution, good or bad, of the profession.  As an aside, we&#8217;ve kind of come full circle to the day of yellow muckracking journalism, but I digress.  For every &#8220;real&#8221; and unbiased writer, there are another ten out there who are &#8220;columnists&#8221; who editorialize and present their opinion as truth and/or don&#8217;t present the ENTIRE set of thoughts in order to skew the reader&#8217;s opinion (who&#8217;s still programmed to take what they read as absolute and unbiased truth).  A great recent example is your Haiti article&#8230;I saw that tracked in a few spots that threw out the most inflammatory comments while keeping your rationale behind the thoughts out of the story (and in full disclosure, I also disagreed with you on that one but thought it was well-reasoned and respect your right to have that opinion).<br />
I&#8217;m gonna name-drop here, but I had the good fortune to interview Cal Ripken, Jr. this past weekend&#8230;before we were set to go, I joked that I had a long list of steroid-related questions to ask and then edit his responses to in irresponsible soundbites (my interview was actually only focused on his Ripken Baseball clinics).  That prompted a little bit of a conversation on how media has changed and the most benign of comments can be presented out of context in irresponsible hands.  I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  I&#8217;m not sure where the business is headed, but we need the true media watchdogs.  I hope they don&#8217;t get forced out in the name of entertainment.</p>
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